In this special episode, Andrew is joined by Brett King — bestselling author, founder of the world's first mobile neobank Moven, and of Breaking Banks and The Futurists podcast. Two Australian futurists, one looking five minutes to 18 months ahead and the other five to 50 years, meet in London for a wide-ranging conversation about what is actually coming, and what you should do about it before your organisation is left behind.

From the Alibaba AI that broke out of its test environment to mine Bitcoin, to the energy crisis quietly undermining Western AI ambitions, this episode covers the ground most AI conversations never reach.

Whether you are a CEO trying to close the quarter or a board member wondering what quantum computing has to do with your cybersecurity strategy, this is the conversation that will change how you think about what comes next.

In this episode, you will learn

• Why agentic AI is best understood through the story of a great executive assistant, and why between 2 and 15 billion AI agents could be deployed by 2030.
• How to give AI agents access to money without draining your bank account, and why stable coins and centralised action handlers are the emerging answer.
• Why the world will split into ”smart economies” and traditional economies by the mid-2030s, and which side your organisation needs to be on.
• What ”techno-feudalism” means, and why the US and GCC approaches to AI represent two completely different visions of the future.
• Why Q-Day — the point at which quantum computers can break current encryption — is now estimated at 2027 to 2029, and why most audiences have never heard of it.
• How to reframe the ”AI will take your job” conversation, and why the right instruction to give anyone from a hairdresser to a board director is: focus on what you love and automate the rest.

Resources

• Connect with Brett King at brettking.com
• Brett's podcasts: Breaking Banks and The Futurists at thefuturists.com
• Brett's company LumaBrush Medical at lumabrush.ai
• Bank 5.0 by Brett King — coming November 2026
• Augmented: Life in the Smart Lane by Brett King
• Digitally Curious by Andrew Grill — curious.click/order

”The organisations that fail at AI transformation aren't failing because they couldn't imagine the future — they're failing because nobody in the building was curious enough to act in the present.” – Andrew Grill

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